
In a recent Bloomberg piece, Tyler Cowen argues that “China is probably in the more vulnerable position” in the current trade war with the US. While the overall argument is plausible, there are a few questionable points that are worth discussing:
To see why the full picture is more complicated, let’s say the U.S. slaps tariffs on the industrial inputs (whether materials or labor) it is buying from China. It is easy to see the immediate chain of higher costs for the U.S. businesses translating into higher prices for U.S. consumers, and that is what the afore-mentioned studies are picking up. But keep in mind China won’t be supplying those inputs forever, especially if the tariffs remain. Within a few years, a country such as Vietnam will provide the same products, perhaps at cheaper prices, because Vietnam has lower wages. So the costs to U.S. consumers are temporary, but the lost business in China will be permanent. Furthermore, the medium-term adjustment will have the effect of making China’s main competitors better exporters.
This paragraph alludes to two issues, supply elasticity and market size, which need to be examined more closely. First, it is generally the case that industry supply curves are more elastic in the long run. Indeed manufactured goods supply curves are almost perfectly elastic in the very long run. This is why Vietnam would eventually be able to replace many Chinese exports, as Tyler suggests. (Although keep in mind that Vietnam is a far smaller country, so it would probably take multiple countries to fully replace China.)
But the highly elastic nature of long run supply curves cuts both ways. Elastic supply implies flexibility, and this suggests that Chinese firms will also be able to transition to alternative markets. Today, Chinese exports to America represent roughly 4% of Chinese GDP. But just as Vietnam’s rise is quite likely to occur, so is the rise of Greater Asia, including big countries such as India, which are growing at 7% of year. Thus is it almost inevitable that China’s exports will gradually shift from the US to Asia, even if the trade war ends tomorrow. In the long run, Chinese manufacturers will be able to switch to alternative markets, as well as to the huge and growing Chinese domestic market. Because supply curves are elastic in the long run, both the US and China would eventually be able to adjust to higher tariffs, with only modest costs.
[As an aside, I don’t like it when people describe low wages as advantage, which can be misinterpreted. Given Vietnam’s low productivity, low wages are needed to be cost competitive, which is presumably what Tyler means. But I’m pretty sure that Tyler would agree that the rise of Vietnam won’t be “caused” by low wages, rather by market reforms that boost the productivity of the Vietnamese economy. After all, the Congo also has low wages, but nobody is predicting an export boom from that country, which is plagued by low productivity caused by war, bad infrastructure, and a lack of education. Or North Korea, as long as they engage in central planning.]
A second issue alluded to in Tyler’s article is the small country/big country distinction. Tyler refers to China as a relatively “poor” country, which is true. However, it is not a particularly small economy. Indeed in PPP terms it is the world’s largest economy, and it will surpass the US economy at market exchange rates within the next decade. This is important, because trade theory suggests that smaller economies have more to gain from trade, and by implication more to lose from protectionism.
In my numerous visits to China, I’ve found that the Chinese think of themselves as much more vulnerable than Americans to a trade war. I think they are basically correct, mostly because China is a much poorer country with more fragile political institutions.
This may be true, but I’m not sure the Chinese leadership sees things this way. They understand that President Trump is up for re-election next year and that Trump sees a strong stock market as a sign of success. They may calculate that Trump will want to get a deal and not risk a major hit to the markets (and a possible recession) right before the election.
The poverty of China also cuts two ways. While Americans have been spoiled by 70 years of prosperity, the Chinese have often been forced to “eat bitter”, to use a popular Chinese metaphor. In the late 1990s and early 2000s, tens of millions of Chinese workers were laid off from state-owned enterprises being privatized. No American politician would dare impose such pain on US citizens. China is still growing at 6% a year, and a trade war with the US would only modestly slow that growth. President Xi does not have to face re-election in 2020, and indeed will likely serve another decade.
That doesn’t mean Tyler is wrong about China being less stable than the US; indeed outsiders often underestimate the brittleness of the Chinese system. In contrast, our democratic system is very messy, but the cultural and legal underpinnings are quite strong. But is this how the fight is perceived in Beijing? Consider that the biggest threat to Xi may come from nationalists in China who fear another Opium War-style humiliation. Another capitulation to “Western bullies”. Americans may view China as a bully, but I assure you that the history taught in Chinese schools presents a very different picture of world history. Xi won’t be brought down by economic “liberals” who wished that he would appease the US; the opposite is more likely. Thus Xi may be in a stronger negotiating position than we assume.
In the end, I still expect a trade deal. I suspect that both sides are posturing to appear “tough” to their home audiences. Both sides want to convince domestic audiences that they “won” the trade war, before signing on to any deal. In fact, both sides will very likely end up losing. It was a mistake for the US to launch the trade war.
PS. Josh Barro discusses this issue as well, although I don’t follow his argument. He suggests that China might lose even if Americans paid 100% of the tariff. But why? Yes, they would lose sales, but if Chinese supply is perfectly elastic then where is the deadweight loss to China? Perhaps I’m overlooking something.
PPS. Here’s a picture of the ruins of the old Summer Palace in Beijing, looted and destroyed by British and French soldiers. I never learned about this in school, but all Chinese learn about the many times that Western powers (including the US) humiliated China.
READER COMMENTS
Michael Sandifer
May 14 2019 at 8:04pm
Fine comments.
Mark
May 14 2019 at 8:11pm
Americans should learn more about Chinese history. The Century of Humiliation is interesting, but what’s more interesting are the centuries before that, where China declined from the world’s most advanced civilization to being in a position to be humiliated by much smaller European powers.
What happened in those centuries was that China adopted an arrogant isolationist attitude, where it believed that its civilization was so advanced that it could produce everything it needed and had no need to trade with foreigners. The economy became more centralized, national security considerations always trumped commercial ones, government officials advanced based on cultural affinities rather than technical expertise, and China could not deal with foreign countries on an equal basis.
Unfortunately, I am seeing the same attitudes in America today. Many Americans insist China produces nothing of value but only advances through foul play, we can produce everything we need without China, businesses are stupid for trading with China, what about national security, experts don’t know what they’re talking about, China should make huge concessions for a trade deal while America makes none beyond refraining from future action, etc. I just hope these attitudes are vanquished before we get our own century of humiliation.
Todd Kreider
May 15 2019 at 1:32pm
This isn’t really true since the gap between China and Europe were equally poor centuries ago. According to economic historian Angus Maddison, around the years 1 and 1000, China’s GDP per capita (PPP) in 1990 dollars was estimated to be $450 a year, while Western Europe was at $570 – both extremely poor and the same. (Maddison’s measurements couldn’t have really been nearly this precise, though.)
There was still no real difference in 1500 but in 1820 Western Europe had mostly well established countries and GDP per capita (PPP) in 1990 dollars was then twice as high as that of China, $1,200 v. $600. ($2,400 v. $1,200 in today’s dollars.) That gap rapidly widened over the rest of the 19th and into the 20th centuries. See the second chart:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.546.9890&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Matthias Görgens
May 16 2019 at 10:07pm
The issue is even more complicated.
Tonio Andrande’s Gunpowder Age goes into this in detail.
One major reason for the fall in Chinese military competitiveness, even before the industrial revolution came into full swing in Europe, was peace.
The early Qing dynasty was so successful and eg finally eliminated the threat from inner Asian nomads, that the Chinese didn’t go to many major wars anymore for ages. That was just at the same time as Europeans were still busy mauling each other and thus learning how to get better and better at that.
Competition is a great driver of productivity, even in industries as deleterious as war.
That’s ‘productivity’ in strategy, tactics, drill. But also in the manufacture of weapons and gunpowder. Those surges in military productivity started before the industry revolution, and outstrip its rate of about 1% per year of general improvement in productivity.
Benjamin Cole
May 14 2019 at 9:11pm
China may be too big to understand, but as much as I understand it I think this post is correct.
I suspect Xi is president for life.
The Sino Belt and Road Initiative looks to be successful in the long run.
The probable success of the Belt and Road Initiative raises questions about libertarian viewpoints, particularly in regards to infrastructure.
In contrast, the United States is building aircraft carriers.
Trevor Adcock
May 15 2019 at 7:28am
Maybe they just need more push cart vendors?
nobody.really
May 16 2019 at 12:44pm
Don’t suggest this to Trump–he’ll start a Pushcart War!
BC
May 14 2019 at 9:22pm
How deeply is Chinese Humiliation propaganda ingrained in Chinese pschyes? Is it really so strong that military means will be the only way to secure Taiwanese self-determination and Freedom of Navigation in the South China Sea because Chinese nationalist humiliation psychology will rule out a sustainable diplomatic solution?
We’ve already seen that the people of Hong Kong had to sacrifice their freedom to avoid “humiliating” the Chinese. Two-thirds of Hong Kong were ceded in perpetuity to the British, only one third was leased, but those treaties were deemed too “unfair” under Chinese Humiliation doctrine. Ditto the 1895 treaty in which China permanently ceded Taiwan to Japan.
Will the Chinese always view the integration into the Liberal World Order of Taiwanese, Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong, South China Sea neighbors, and indeed the Chinese people themselves as “humiliating”? If so, then how should that affect our thinking in terms of trading with China vs. containing China?
Mark
May 14 2019 at 11:55pm
None of the things you say have anything to do with Chinese humiliation. Taiwan has self-determination now. Taiwan hasn’t declared independence because most Taiwanese don’t support it; many of them are still holding out for a reunified China under the Nationalist Party. The Taiwan constitution claims territories greater than what the PRC claims, and I doubt they are going to give those claims up by declaring that they are not China any more. There is also freedom of navigation in the South China Sea as far as I’m aware—are there any instances of China stopping any civilian traffic passing through that area?
Returning conquered territory to China also has nothing to do with Chinese humiliation, but is simply because territories conquered in aggressive wars are not legitimate. Germany had to give Alsace-Lorraine which it conquered in 1870 back to France after World War I, and India forcibly seized the Portuguese colony at Goa when Portugal refused to decolonize. Japan and European colonial powers returning territories that they conquered from China is no different.
I also doubt the Chinese oppose integrating the Tibetans and Uighurs into the liberal world order. To the contrary, their oppressive policies are forced modernization policies intending to bring those groups into the liberal world order. I don’t necessarily agree with those policies, but it seems obvious that Tibet and Xinjiang are more integrated into the liberal world order than neighboring countries like Nepal or Tajikistan.
John Thacker
May 15 2019 at 10:47am
Sure, in the sense that “many” is bounded above by around 20%.
Most Taiwanese support the status quo of de facto independence. (Just as most Taiwanese identify as “only Taiwanese,” with a substantial minority, but a minority, identifying as “both Taiwanese and Chinese.”) The reason opposition to declaring formal independence has a majority is due to fear of an imperialist reaction by the PRC.
Scott Sumner
May 15 2019 at 12:53am
BC, You said:
“Two-thirds of Hong Kong were ceded in perpetuity to the British, only one third was leased, but those treaties were deemed too “unfair” under Chinese Humiliation doctrine. Ditto the 1895 treaty in which China permanently ceded Taiwan to Japan.”
I’m a bit puzzled as to why you surround ‘unfair’ with quotation marks. You don’t believe the treaties were grossly unfair?
BC
May 15 2019 at 2:45pm
I don’t believe that there is any doctrine of international law that allows one to pretend a treaty was never signed simply because one of the parties declares that the treaty was “unfair”. For example, the treaties signed between the US and Native American tribes are still binding, even though many might now retrospectively view those treaties as unfair.
In the case of Hong Kong, China stripped Hong Kong of its status as a British colony in 1972, which it clearly was unless one ignored the “unfair” treaties ceding Hong Kong to the British. Colonial status would have granted Hong Kong the right to self-determination under the UN’s decolonization efforts. That didn’t seem very fair to Hong Kong.
Scott Sumner
May 15 2019 at 4:09pm
BC, Do you know the story of how this treaty actually occurred? I’m rather shocked by your attitude.
Harun
May 15 2019 at 3:38pm
The Chinese massacred Dutch colonialists in Taiwan and took their women as concubines. Koxinga.
Thus Europe most forever hold a grudge against China. Why won’t China give Westerners “the face” we deserve?
They humiliated us!
Next thing you’ll tell us about how Taiwan can’t be independent because it would “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.”
Look, knowing history is useful.
But China hacked our OPM just years ago. How humiliating!
They made Obama leave a plane by a tiny rear door. Humiliation.
This is a two way street and people who listen to Chinese tales of historical woe should realize this. We have more recent cases of being humiliated than the Chinese do. Thus, we will wait for an apology in the form of treaty concessions.
DF
May 15 2019 at 3:43pm
The “Century of Humilation” shtick is partly legitimate grievance regarding Western exploitation, partly a manifestation of racialist Chinese thinking and Han chauvinism. The further we get away from the events, the less it is grievance and the more it becomes chauvinism. Dr. Summer, if you are claiming China is more racialist than America, then I totally agree.
Iskander
May 15 2019 at 5:35am
I don’t think that the unequal treaties were that bad: opening of trade and safe ports for foreign investors.
People seem to confuse the interests/sovereignty of the state with the interests of the people.
Thiago Ribeiro
May 15 2019 at 9:48am
“Here’s a picture of the ruins of the old Summer Palace in Beijing, looted and destroyed by British and French soldiers. I never learned about this in school, but all Chinese learn about the many times that Western powers (including the US) humiliated China.”
I suspect there was a bigger awareness of it in the West in the early 20th Century. At least, James Hilton menrions it on Lost Horizon without feeling the need of elaborating about it.
Todd Kreider
May 15 2019 at 10:16am
Considering that China’s unemployment rate went from 3% to 4% during that period I don’t think there was much pain at all as the laid off workers could quickly find new jobs at likely higher wages. https://knoema.com/atlas/China/Unemployment-rate
Not really. This has been a small skirmish and will likely remain so, so no losers at a country level.
Alan Goldhammer
May 15 2019 at 11:44am
I think there are some industries that cannot be easily moved out of China such as high volume and value added electronics. Apparel manufacturing can be moved quickly and I’ve seen a number cases in the past month where this is happening. The same cannot be said of computer components and cell phones that require special manufacturing facilities. The current tariff war is not going to quickly be resolved and if it is, it can only mean we are going back to the status quo.
More interesting is the stance that Senator Rubio of Florida is taking. If more Republicans adopt this approach it will be very interesting!!
Lee Hibbs
May 15 2019 at 12:55pm
You are correct regarding the rag business. Manufacturing is easy to move, however, IMO, US companies are not leaving China due to the market consumption potential driven by 1+ billion people.
Lee Hibbs
May 15 2019 at 12:52pm
It is interesting to note that in a recent Tweet Trump admitted that US companies that have manufacturing operations in China would not be moving the manufacturing jobs back to the USA but to Vietnam.
“…completely avoided if you buy from a non-Tariffed Country, or you buy the product inside the USA (the best idea). That’s Zero Tariffs. Many Tariffed companies will be leaving China for Vietnam and other such countries in Asia. That’s why China wants to make a deal so badly!…” – May 13, 2019
Michael Rulle
May 15 2019 at 1:10pm
I agree in the end there will be some agreement. Domestic politics must play its game.
While you do recognize the bitter pill the Chinese Communist party imposes on it’s people, do you believe they also create a large opportunity cost to the rest of the world due to its restrictive import policies?
DF
May 15 2019 at 1:47pm
Dr. Sumner,
You seem certain Xi will remain in power, that he will be able to dispense with the traditional transition of leadership after 10 years.
Scott Sumner
May 15 2019 at 4:05pm
DF, No, I’m not at all certain of that.
Harun
May 15 2019 at 5:14pm
Your photo shows damage done by British and French soldiers.
You insinuate that Americans were part of this humiliation of China.
But our Open Door policy is viewed by some Chinese as far, far better for China than the European colonizers plans. “The Open Door Policy is a term in foreign affairs initially used to refer to the United States policy established in the late 19th century and the early 20th century that would allow for a system of trade in China open to all countries equally.”
US troops were sent into China as part of the Boxer Rebellion, to protect westerners, but also the Boxers were a threat to China’s government. Its highly debatable that was an “humiliation” anymore than say, Canada burning our white house down would justify US tarrifs on Canadian products would today.
And of course, US troops and Flying Tigers fighters helped China defend itself against Japan even before our direct entry into WW2.
So, its very interesting you use the worst excesses of Europe to explain why China should be allowed to be huffy about Americans. Shouldn’t China be angry at Europe not the US? We only had a tiny American area of Shanghai long after Germany, Japan, UK, Portugal and others had grabbed entire cities.
SM
May 16 2019 at 12:11pm
Dear Dr. Sumner,
I have a background in economic development and international relations and am currently living around Shanghai, so I’ve been reflecting on these things quite a bit. I more or less agree with your assessments. The impact of China’s nationalism is highly underappreciated in the west, where people seem to see China’s ambitions as purely driven by rational striving for pride and prosperity, not irrational revanchism. The Patriotic Education Campaign has worked its magic, and many are the conversations I have had with students or DiDi drivers who remark on America being the “world police” who interfere in global affairs at the drop of a hat (see the Chinese narrative of the Korean War, for example). Nanjing and the Opium Wars are indeed the cornerstones of the Chinese view of the world.
The CCP is riding a wild bull, in a way in the form of its massive population. It is a powerful weapon if it can be controlled, but the CCP is held hostage to its whims in a way, in a sort of crude democracy that the people have to be pleased one way or another – panem et circenses, brought to you via WeChat, if you will. The CCP has two reins by which to steer it: economic development, and nationalism. When one goes slack, it turns to the other. In this trade war, Xi is being asked to completely abandon one or the other in the immediate future. Should economic growth flag significantly, the CCP will have to turn to something other than increasing prosperity to keep its legitimacy, and that will likely take the turn of trumping up its simmering conflicts with Japan, India, or in the South China Sea.
Economically, it’s incredibly difficult to tell how much slack China really has for a trade war. In the long run, I agree with the assessment that China needs western markets more than Western markets need China – South and Southeast Asia are indeed waiting in the wings to take on the mantle of “Worshop of the World” for this century, and the standard of living in much of China has risen too quickly for it to retain that role forever. The middle income trap seems to be coming for China, however, I do wonder to what extent China can just exploit its massive internal comparative advantages to escape that trap – are the billion peasant consumers a sufficiently large market to propel the other 400 million into high income status? Will those 400 million then be enough to pull the 1 billion by their coattails? How much global market share does China need to achieve that level of prosperity?
mbka
May 17 2019 at 12:12am
Scott,
the most important part of your argument IMO is that large countries have much less to lose from protectionism than small countries. Their intrnal markets are large enough to create the needed economies of scale and the concomitant economic complexity allows for diverse product and IP landscapes. Traditionally, the size of the US and its common market has helped it in a massive way – and that’s also the rationale for the EU common market. China is even bigger, so in the long run I believe China is in the strongest position of all countries, bar none, to weather any trade wars. Right now the only thing still moderately missing is the economic complexity part – China can’t yet design or manufacture all of the components of, say, those Huawei products. Now that it will be forced to try … I don’t think it will take too long. See atlas of economic complexity , China currently is at world wide #18, between Belgium and France, still some way to reach the US at #10 but in a decent enough position.
SM,
seeing other places where Chinese culture was driving forward a market economy – what makes you think that China won’t go the way of, say, Singapore, in its economic development? And that is a place that is neither large, nor culturally homogeneous, nor was it rich as little as 3 generations ago, and look at it now.
SM
May 21 2019 at 11:53pm
mbka,
I’m not making an argument about sinitic culture; I’m making an argument about the specific legitimation and policy tools of the PRC. The CCP’s legitimacy, especially since the Patriotic Education Campaign, rests on national glorification. If it can’t deliver that via economic growth then it will be forced, for its own survival, to do it via other means.
I’m not a specialist of singapore but my cursory answer to your question would have to be simply: size. By population, Singapore would not crack the top 15 in China. With a large port, strategic location, and the construction of the factories and services to facilitate its role as a functional trade entrepot, the gains from economic development in Singapore could easily reach a much higher percentage of the Singapore population than even the biggest Chinese advances can hope to. Singapore had a much broader tightrope to walk than China does – it didn’t have to keep a billion people from starving in the countryside while it was helping to create high speed rail and world class IT sectors for a few coastal cities – in Singapore, the same improvements benefited every member of the city state at once. Improving the health system, internet connectivity, etc. improved it for everyone.
Guido
May 19 2019 at 11:23am
Having spent many years in Asia (not necessarily China) I find this article perfectly to the point.
I learned that many Asians posses a hidden feeling of antagonism toward the West indeed because of real or perceived past humiliations (including the perception that the West considers and treats them as an inferior race); and while they may not directly seek retribution, their psyche is such it will not allow toleration of more humiliations at all costs, no matter the pain!
Our strategists would do themselves a favor to remember that in their deliberations and negotiations!
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